It's a New York-heavy episode, as Karen and Steve chat about growing up in the Big Apple before chatting with the person most responsible for the existence of this podcast—Lisa Rubin, off-air legal analyst for the Rachel Maddow Show and Steve's law school classmate. Lisa talks about the unique nature of her non-traditional legal job and the challenges of New York parenting during COVID while somehow resisting the urge to tell embarrassing stories about Steve as a 1L.