With the end of 2020 (finally) nigh, Karen and Steve talk about some of their goals for 2021 and some of the worst (and best) professional advice they've received before chatting with Dale Ho, Director of the ACLU's Voting Rights Project, to discuss the challenges of parenting as a traveling trial lawyer; his appearance in the award-winning documentary The Fight; his terrible Civil Procedure TA in law school; and much more.